{"id":4586,"date":"2014-01-09T09:56:43","date_gmt":"2014-01-09T17:56:43","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/private-person.com\/blog\/?p=4586"},"modified":"2014-01-10T08:20:16","modified_gmt":"2014-01-10T16:20:16","slug":"if-the-crown-the-government-hmtqirobc-is-not-a-person-why-should-you-be","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/private-person.com\/blog\/2014\/01\/if-the-crown-the-government-hmtqirobc-is-not-a-person-why-should-you-be\/","title":{"rendered":"If The Crown &#8211; The Government &#8211; HMTQiroBC &#8211; Is Not A Person, Why Should You Be?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/private-person.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/keep-calm-cause-i-m-better-than-you1.gif\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft  wp-image-4592 lazyload\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 210px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 210\/245;border: 1px solid black; margin: 6px;\" alt=\"keep-calm-cause-i-m-better-than-you\" data-src=\"https:\/\/private-person.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/keep-calm-cause-i-m-better-than-you1.gif\" width=\"210\" height=\"245\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" \/><\/a>I can hear the wails of patriots\/freedom folk &#8220;I&#8217;m not a person, and you can&#8217;t make me!&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>That seems only fair, if you consider that &#8220;Her Majesty The Queen in right of British Columbia&#8221; (HMTQiroBC), aka the &#8220;Crown&#8221; aka &#8220;the government&#8221; is not a person and we should not HAVE TO BE if we are all free and equal.<\/p>\n<p>Wait a second. I thought\u00a0HMTQiroBC was a legal person, with legal status otherwise how can&#8230;.??<\/p>\n<p>Hmmm. Really?<\/p>\n<p>Well if one were to read the <a title=\"http:\/\/www.bclaws.ca\/EPLibraries\/bclaws_new\/document\/ID\/freeside\/00_96089_01\" href=\"http:\/\/www.bclaws.ca\/EPLibraries\/bclaws_new\/document\/ID\/freeside\/00_96089_01\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Crown Proceeding Act [RSBC 1996] Chapter 89<\/em><\/a> one might discover that there within is admission that HMTQirotPoBC\u00a0is NOT a person&#8230;.although they will act <strong>as if\u00a0HMTQiroBC were a person<\/strong> for certain purposes.<\/p>\n<p>Go figure.<\/p>\n<p>I was chatting with a Crown prosecutor to find out the level of ignorance and poor training and I was not disappointed. The tax matter at hand which was in dispute was summarized as &#8220;Her Majesty may disagree&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m really a bit confused as to who these &#8220;Crown prosecutors&#8221; really represent in court<!--more--> a<span style=\"font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px;\">nd which of Her Majesty&#8217;s MANY legal statuses is represented in federal Income Tax trials.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px;\">Now that I read HMTQirotPoBC\/the government is not a person&#8230; I wonder who &#8220;Regina&#8221; is as many cases are REGINA v POOR SMUCK.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>And if you get&#8217;em on the run the plaintiff title may be changed to &#8220;HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN&#8221;. Oh my, there are so many AKA&#8217;s and they all appear to be different legal person&#8217;s&#8230;. oh wait&#8230;. HMTQirotPoBC is not a legal person.<\/p>\n<p>Back to the <a title=\"http:\/\/www.bclaws.ca\/EPLibraries\/bclaws_new\/document\/ID\/freeside\/00_96089_01\" href=\"http:\/\/www.bclaws.ca\/EPLibraries\/bclaws_new\/document\/ID\/freeside\/00_96089_01\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Crown Proceeding Act [RSBC 1996] Chapter 89<\/em><\/a>\u00a0 &#8211; it seems that the phrase &#8220;the government&#8221; is used often but never defined within the Act &#8211; what means &#8220;the government&#8221;? \u00a0(<a href=\"https:\/\/private-person.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/Crown-Proceeding-Act-RSBC.pdf\">PDF of Crown Proceeding Act (RSBC)<\/a>). It&#8217;s also not defined in the <em>Interpretation Act (BC)<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Onward,<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong>Liability of government<\/strong><br \/>\n2 Subject to this Act,<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">(c) the government is subject to all the liabilities to which it would be liable <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>if it were a person<\/strong><\/span>, and<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">(d) the law relating to indemnity and contribution is enforceable by and against the government for any liability to which it is subject, <strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">as if the government were a person<\/span><\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Now for the kicker&#8230;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong>Designation of government<\/strong><br \/>\n7 In proceedings under this Act, <strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">the government must be <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">designated<\/span> &#8220;Her Majesty the Queen in right of <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">the<\/span> <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Province of<\/span> British Columbia&#8221;<\/span><\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>For all you capitalization-means-nothing-folks please take careful not of the style of\u00a0HMTQiroBC above &#8211; it is in quotes and is exactly as it should appear in paperwork BUT ALSO NOTE the addition of a word &#8220;the Province of&#8221; compared to the definition section&#8230;. hmmmm. Typo? Get me an official version please.<\/p>\n<p>Shall I review what we just learned:<\/p>\n<p>Act Definitions:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>&#8220;Crown&#8221; means Her Majesty the Queen in right of British Columbia;<\/li>\n<li>&#8220;person&#8221; does not include the government;<\/li>\n<li>the government must be <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">designated<\/span> &#8220;Her Majesty the Queen in right of <span style=\"text-decoration: underline; color: #ff0000;\">the\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"text-decoration: underline; color: #ff0000;\">Province of<\/span><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"> British Columbia<\/span><\/span>&#8220;. [designated, what a funny word]<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Therefore is\u00a0&#8220;Her Majesty the Queen in right of\u00a0<span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000; text-decoration: underline;\">the\u00a0Province of<\/span> <\/span>British Columbia&#8221; the government and is not a person? <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>AND is &#8220;Crown&#8221; different from &#8220;the government&#8221; because of the addition of the words &#8220;the Province of&#8221;?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>So, not a person, but treated <strong>as if it were a person<\/strong> SOMETIMES and <strong>like a corporation<\/strong> other times. Say what? Yep, says so right here:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong>Discovery and inspection of documents<\/strong><br \/>\n9 (1) In proceedings against the government and proceedings in which the government is a party,\u2026..discovery and interrogatories, <strong>those rules apply as if the government were a corporation<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Of course it gets even better, the courts have NO POWER to make orders for specific performance against the government:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong>Rights of parties and authority of the court<\/strong><br \/>\n11 (1) In proceedings against the government and proceedings in which the government is a party, the rights of the parties must, subject to this Act, be <strong>as nearly as possible the same as in a proceeding between persons,<\/strong> and the court may<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px;\">(a) make an order, including an order as to costs, that it may make in proceedings between persons, and<br \/>\n(b) otherwise give the appropriate relief that the case may require.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">(2) If, in proceedings against the government, relief is sought that might, <strong>in proceedings between persons<\/strong>, be granted by way of injunction or specific performance, the court<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px;\">(a) <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">must<\/span> <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">not<\/span> grant an injunction or make an order for specific performance against the government;<\/strong><\/span><br \/>\n(b) <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>may make an order declaring the rights of the parties<\/strong><\/span> instead of an injunction or an order for specific performance.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">&#8230;&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">(6) In proceedings against the government in which <strong>the recovery of <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">land<\/span> or other <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">property<\/span> is claimed<\/strong>, <strong>the court<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px;\">(a) <strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">must not<\/span> make an order<\/span> for the recovery of the land or the delivery of the property<\/strong>;<br \/>\n(b) <strong>may<\/strong>, instead, <strong>make an order declaring that the claimant is entitled<\/strong>, as against the government, to land or property or to possession of it.<\/p>\n<p>So &#8220;the government&#8221; has a special status ABOVE the courts, it seems, or maybe property and land is different somehow&#8230;.like in law.<\/p>\n<p>The Act continues with a final section letting everyone know the government is special once again. as the government, generally speaking, is not bound by statutes, not being a person, BUT can &#8220;take advantage of&#8221; the Statues as a defence&#8230;.cool huh!<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong>Rights of government to rely on statutes<\/strong><br \/>\n16 (1) This Act does not prejudice the right of the government to <strong>take advantage of an Act<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">(2) In <strong>proceedings against the government, an Act that could, if the proceedings were between persons, be relied on by the defendant as a defence to the proceedings<\/strong>, whether in whole or in part, or otherwise, may, subject to an express provision to the contrary, be relied on by the government.<\/p>\n<p>Oh, to be &#8220;the government&#8221;!<\/p>\n<p>Maybe you have the same rights\/power\/status and just don&#8217;t know it.<\/p>\n<p>Leave your comments below.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I can hear the wails of patriots\/freedom folk &#8220;I&#8217;m not a person, and you can&#8217;t make me!&#8221;. 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